Comments on: I came, I saw . . . http://www.kayakquixotica.com/2007/12/30/i-came-i-saw/ Tilting At Waves Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:23:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: derrick http://www.kayakquixotica.com/2007/12/30/i-came-i-saw/comment-page-1/#comment-3374 derrick Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:14:54 +0000 http://www.kayakquixotica.com/2007/12/30/i-came-i-saw/#comment-3374 Hey Greg, Yeah that is a good point too. I'd thought about that in my case too. If the clips had not given way that energy would have had to go somewhere. Most likely damaging the kayak. I guess you could call that a benefit. ;) Hey Greg,

Yeah that is a good point too. I’d thought about that in my case too. If the clips had not given way that energy would have had to go somewhere. Most likely damaging the kayak. I guess you could call that a benefit. ;)

]]> By: CD1 http://www.kayakquixotica.com/2007/12/30/i-came-i-saw/comment-page-1/#comment-3373 CD1 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:49:04 +0000 http://www.kayakquixotica.com/2007/12/30/i-came-i-saw/#comment-3373 Ver good points made by Greg Stamer. I am glad that FReya herself did not get hurt in the dumper wave. You make an interesting point a bout the three piecer and general weakness. Indeed, true. Although one would not strike the bottom on a long crossing--such as you and Ms. Hoffmeister accomplished in the Arctic--one always has to keep oin mind that anything potentially loose, anything "attached" rather than one piece, could fail. Unlikely, but possibly a liability. Sort of like a hatch lid. It always strikes me as interesting, concerning, and whatever other word one attaches to it, that something as simple as a dry hatch cover can be the difference between floating and sinking, between life and death. A rubber hatch cover. Canoecopia 2007 Danny Mongno (Impex, Werner) made this very clear in Commando Kayaking pool demo, when he took of a hatch cover for fun and sunk the Impex. Memorable I was supposed to be elsewhere for a week, but flights crossed and cancelled, and I ended up with a very pleasant trip, Greg, to Orlando. I believe you paddle in the greater Orlando area. I was not able to paddle on this trip, but was impressed by all the water basically everywhere in Orlando. Very noticeable when coming in by plane. A nice area, and of course, the weather was 80F plus all week long (hence the reason I chose central FL for that week)--I know it chills out starting now. Paddle on Ver good points made by Greg Stamer. I am glad that FReya herself did not get hurt in the dumper wave. You make an interesting point a bout the three piecer and general weakness. Indeed, true. Although one would not strike the bottom on a long crossing–such as you and Ms. Hoffmeister accomplished in the Arctic–one always has to keep oin mind that anything potentially loose, anything “attached” rather than one piece, could fail. Unlikely, but possibly a liability.

Sort of like a hatch lid. It always strikes me as interesting, concerning, and whatever other word one attaches to it, that something as simple as a dry hatch cover can be the difference between floating and sinking, between life and death. A rubber hatch cover. Canoecopia 2007 Danny Mongno (Impex, Werner) made this very clear in Commando Kayaking pool demo, when he took of a hatch cover for fun and sunk the Impex. Memorable

I was supposed to be elsewhere for a week, but flights crossed and cancelled, and I ended up with a very pleasant trip, Greg, to Orlando. I believe you paddle in the greater Orlando area. I was not able to paddle on this trip, but was impressed by all the water basically everywhere in Orlando. Very noticeable when coming in by plane. A nice area, and of course, the weather was 80F plus all week long (hence the reason I chose central FL for that week)–I know it chills out starting now.

Paddle on

]]> By: Greg Stamer http://www.kayakquixotica.com/2007/12/30/i-came-i-saw/comment-page-1/#comment-3372 Greg Stamer Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:32:44 +0000 http://www.kayakquixotica.com/2007/12/30/i-came-i-saw/#comment-3372 Freya's stern clips bent when she was looped backward by a large dumper and the stern forcefully impacted the sea bottom. It's tough to say what would have happened to bolts or a one-piece in that same situation. A fully-loaded (or flooded) kayak is ripe for serious damage should you start pile-driving the sea floor. At least in the case of bolts, the stern section would likely not have completely separated which is what happened to Freya. That must have made for some interesting kayak handling! It's worth noting that Freya is using an older design that does not have male/female mating surfaces between the sections. The newer Explorer sectionals have male/female "parts". Freya was able to effect a temporary repair by hammering the clips with a large rock. Days later, she added some glass to the rear joint to help ensure that it (hopefully) lasts the remainder of the trip. She will cut it apart when finished, for transport. While it might be worth pondering if the stern section failure prevented more serious structural damage from occurring (consider what happened to Chris Duff's one-piece kayak in NZ), IMO, a 3-piece offers convenience and flexibility, but will always be weaker than a 1-piece. Freya’s stern clips bent when she was looped backward by a large dumper and the stern forcefully impacted the sea bottom. It’s tough to say what would have happened to bolts or a one-piece in that same situation. A fully-loaded (or flooded) kayak is ripe for serious damage should you start pile-driving the sea floor. At least in the case of bolts, the stern section would likely not have completely separated which is what happened to Freya. That must have made for some interesting kayak handling! It’s worth noting that Freya is using an older design that does not have male/female mating surfaces between the sections. The newer Explorer sectionals have male/female “parts”.

Freya was able to effect a temporary repair by hammering the clips with a large rock. Days later, she added some glass to the rear joint to help ensure that it (hopefully) lasts the remainder of the trip. She will cut it apart when finished, for transport.

While it might be worth pondering if the stern section failure prevented more serious structural damage from occurring (consider what happened to Chris Duff’s one-piece kayak in NZ), IMO, a 3-piece offers convenience and flexibility, but will always be weaker than a 1-piece.

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