Lost Universe of the Neoprene People

F: “Dig it! All of you fitting in this box is like seriously freaked up.”
Fa: “Nonsense! Why, there’s a whole universe in there.”
F: “Dude. There’s a universe in all of us.”
A: “Right on, professor Freakworth.”
Fa: “Get a job!”
- futurama
So. . How do you keep your hands warm on those cold, cold, cold winter paddles? It took me forever to find something that worked. Last weekend I forgot though. I had some false memory that SealSkinz Waterproof gloves actually worked. Of course I paid for that bit of twisted history the rest of the day. . .
The problem with reading reviews (or writing them, for that matter) is that everyone’s experience is different. I”ve read all sorts of good reviews for SealSkinz Waterproof Gloves for example. “I work in Search & Rescue. . .”, and on and on. I’m glad so many people have had such great experiences with them. For me though they have worked exactly like a pair of those old yarn gloves you had a a kid. They are fine for 5 minutes, then soak through, then freeze, let the wind through, then soak through again. After just 3 or so hours of paddling my hands were in real pain. To get a bit of feeling back in my fingers I re-set my hands in the gloves so that my fingers shared their heat. (Two fingers in one spot then two more in another, leaving two empty frozen glove fingers to freeze solid. If you look at my pinkie fingers in the pick above it may look like I’m being dainty holding my pinkies up, but actually there are no fingers in them and they are frozen!!
Funny thing. We gave NRS more money the first year or two we were paddling in the futile effort to keep our hands warm and dry. We bought about everything they had to offer and still have most of them filling a box in the shed. It’s “Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth’s Paraboxical lost universe of the Neoprene people.” None of them really kept you warm and dry even with all those “Extreme” names like “Explosion Factor” or whatever!
It seemed the best you could hope for were gloves or mittens that would keep you warm IF you never got wet, but that’s a little hard to do in a kayak. Besides if you were not going to get wet you may as well get gloves at a farm implement center.
Of course there is a solution to keeping your hands warm. First you have to keep them dry. A couple folks recommended powdered surgical gloves as a first layer. Then you can wear just about any waterproof labeled, non-waterproof glove or mitten you like. This does seem to help. For my part I choose a fairly small warm glove as the next layer. The reason for something small is because it has to fit inside the secret weapon – POGIES!!!
It wasn’t until I broke down and bought some pogies that I knew I’d found a solution. (or at least the beginning of a solution). The only thing negitive I ever hear about pogies is that some people fear not being able to get their hands out. Well, most pogies have big openings that you can slip your hands right in or out of without a problem. Especially if you are wearing thin gloves, or nothing underneath. Water does get inside them of course, but because the cut the wind effect to zero, your hands warm up quickly again when you wear a light glove underneath. On an extra cold day I’ll wear the surgical glove as well. So you’re asking where were my pogies over the weekend? Well, someone else had those. . . I’d like to say I was making a kind sacrifice but honestly I just forgot my seal skins just didn’t work.
How do you keep your hands warm during a cold winter’s paddle?
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Look at ref 802BK
http://www.glacieroutdoor.com/products_water.php
If you put them on before putting on the dry suit, hands will stay dry. But even when put on after, they keep your hands really warm all day long. Not ideal for manipulating camera controls though…
Do you do a Phisohex scrub before putting on the surgical gloves?
The NRS Toaster Mitts also work really well if you are going to use a Greenland Style Paddle, if you are using a euro, go pogie, unless you are a huge sap and give them to someone who isn’t quite as clever….
Ditto on the mittens, the NRS toaster or the various inuit style mittens work several times better than neo gloves.
Poggies don’t work for me because as soon as I get my hands in them, my nose itches. I know it’s psychological, but the mittens work great. Also your hands are stuck in one spot on the paddle with poofies, makes sliding strokes more difficult.
PS I made a similar mistake last weekend. I went out thinking that the water wasn’t cold enough for the mittens. Well NYC area water is much colder this year than last and my hands enclosed in 3mm neo gloves and everyone else’s were cold. And rolling stung the face like it was February.
stevie
Paddling on Lake Superior in cold weather I use a pair of neoprene “fishing” gloves. They even have fishing hooks embroidered on the back of the hand.
I did use Aquaseal to seal the embroidered areas from the inside. Otherwise, the gloves are just like a wetsuit. Thick neoprene with water warmed by body heat. As long as the fit is good so the warm water doesn’t flush out, they keep my hands comfortable.
Joel
Always free water on Saint-Lawrence all winter in Montréal, so we are a bunch of guys, paddling, playing and swimming. We like the very efficient but not durable at all (and on really the small side) mitts of Level Six, very surprising product, good grip. Also as mentioned, we like the Toaster mitts, real good, warm and much more durable, grip not as good as the Level six. Also, with Palm drysuits, it’s really easy to tuck the mitts between the latex and the overcuffs, a big plus. The new Kokatat, except the Exped version have a cheap and not useful at all overcuffs, not adjustable. And for rolling, the Beluga hood (same stuff as Reed), is excellent, and again with the Palm drysuit, it’s really efficient when it’s tucked, much efficient than with the Kokatat. Not that I don’l like kokotat. I like their new Exped version, especially the new hood. Also, on really long windy outings, I used goretex overmitts, that are not tucked, so I can remove one of them real fast for removing the skirt if there’s a dexterity problem, or talk to the vhf, or my cell. With the Level six, it’s possilbe to take photos and even the Toaster but you have to put some urethane drops to create a “button” on the mitts. If you don’t want to buy goretex overmitts, you could use stuff nylon bags, with the coatings on the onside to have a grip, I use them on a trip and it made the difference. happy winter paddling!
In my own little search for warm hands, I somehow bought every NRS glove purporting to be warm. The 3.5 mm Reactor gloves were my favorite, because they were the only ones that actually fit comfortably (pre-curved). But I wouldn’t describe them as ‘warm’ – I typically have the odd finger or two that never warms up. I just discovered that the 1mm (somewhat windproof) Mystery gloves keep my hands just as warm. So I think the wind might be the primary culprit behind my frigid digits.
I bought the Snapdragon pogies, which have a much more user friendly opening than the new NRS Hydroskin mambas, which were completely unusable. (I don’t know how NRS expects anybody to use a pogie that takes two hands to get on! The thicker NRS model MUST be better.)
I think the thin glove / pogie combo is my ticket for the Euro paddle. Feeling the index on my crankshaft, and rolling up is no problem. I just need to get a mental grip on the pogies (no pun intended), which still freak me out a little bit in rough water.
BTW, does anybody else rip the velcro band off of their gloves? I can’t figure out a use for them – they just seem to get in the way while trying to fit them up between latex wrists and over-cuffs.