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And you balance your world on the tip of your nose
like a SeaLion with a ball, at the carnival.
– tull

So yesterday I talked a bit about how I found myself test paddling a new kayak. Again I have 2 great kayaks but they are both no longer sea worthy. I could just get a new version of one of these or I can use the opportunity to see if there is something out there I’m missing.  At the moment I’m familiarizing myself with the P&H Kayak line which I’ve not really looked at before.  Yesterday I test paddled the P&H Bahiya.  This is not a review of the Bahiya however. A review is meant to tell you what YOU should buy.  A completely different thing than choosing what I should buy… which you may guess is an attempt at humor for the  non-inferentially-challenged.

I’m easy.  I want an “everything” kayak as I said yesterday. It’s got be fast and carry some gear. Still I know that I’m not going around Iceland and I don’t need to carry a full kitchen and wine cellar. I don’t need a cabin cruiser. I’d also like a boat that handles like an old Fiat Spider and yet is still quasi-stable when sitting still.  What’s more, I also want the sort of construction that can survive a train wreck. I don’t care if it’s a bit heavy if I don’t have to replace it again. So, as I mentioned yesterday I’ve had a lot of suggestions to look at P&H kayaks. I decided the first one I wanted to try was a P&H Bahiya because frankly it looks sooooo HOT! (Yeah, I’m into “HOT”… What you’re not!?)

Well, just to reiterate, my friend & P&H rep Mr. B was nice enough to lend me a Bahiya to try out which he delivered by drive-by on the interstate yesterday on his way to a Midwest Montaineering’s Spring Outdoor Adventure Expo in Minnesota. I didn’t really look closely at the Bahiya until I got home and was more than a little enamored with its shape. It’s an aggressive, shapely looking craft. And you’ll know how much I mean that when you realize the test boat is “robin’s egg blue”. I’ve been cursed by that color but I was able to look beyond it and still see a very attractive boat. This is where we tell those of you new to paddling to stop and walk away.. well no.. we just say don’t give in to love at first site. Test paddle.

I stared at it awhile then went back in and back to work. Soon however, I realized that I couldn’t really focus. I could feel the Bahiya calling me through my office window and by 11am I bailed and headed out to the local lake to give it run. The first part of the day was cloudy and calm, then out came the sun and suddenly the wind was howling. In fact it got bad enough that my partner was not longer comfortable and we ended up foregoing a return crossing and walked back to the vehicle. Just a reminder to pay attention to everyone in your party and not get lost in your own thing… even when playing with a new boat.

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I have to say, I totally understand Bryan Day’s review now from experience. In fact it’s so accurate you can simply read it for details. My quick view is that the Bahiya would be a great boat for someone who wanted a boat that was still a rocket when fully loaded. Empty the Bahiya is certainly a boat for advanced paddlers with a very soft (very soft) initial stability. The Bahiya is about 20 inches wide with a very deep v shaped hull which when empty tends to make you feel as if you are sitting on a ball where you could easily fall to one side or the other. Experienced paddlers will handle this with ease and will enjoy how this design makes the kayak crazy fast, but less experienced paddlers would be bracing fairly constantly, especially when sitting still. Empty, I didn’t feel like I could easily take photos unless the water was dead calm.

As the wind picked up I could feel the tail get pushed around a bit. Just the tip of the skeg is enough to correct that without slowing you down. The Bahiya obviously likes a bit of wave at its tail and will catch a ride on the smallest of waves. Again, a bit of weight would lock it in a bit better. Around here I can’t easily get a boat on big surf but I’ve found that you can feel the tendencies even in small waves. I don’t doubt this would be a fun but challenging surfer.

As I mentioned yesterday one important feature of “my” kayak is that I don’t notice it when my attention is elsewhere. The Bahiya wants constant attention to be truly happy. It’s a hot summer fling more than a life time companion. I’d love to see a lower volume version with even a bit more height shaved off the back deck. I think might create a hot play boat and rolling machine.

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What I did learn from this first P&H test paddle was that P&H construction is fantastic. I even took time to slip a camera up and under the combing to see what I could not see otherwise. There’s nothing sloppy or irregular about the construction. The hull thickness seems uniform and strong. I also took note that the hull turns up under the combing to support it which means I can do all my stupid pet tricks without fear. The test boat I borrowed has been around a bit so It inadvertently gives me a good feel for what a P&H kayak might look like in a year or two with regular use as well. There are no signs of spider cracks or fading in the gel. The hull has little flex when I move around and even the seat and backband seem no worse for a bit of age. Simply the quality construction alone encourages me to try more of their boats. I’ve been told to try the Capella 163 next as it might be more “me”. So let’s go find one…

If the Bahiya sounds more like YOU go here.. or here for more details.

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16 Responses to “P&H Bahiya”

  • keith says:

    P&H, I think makes a very high quality product, my Quest that I owned for a while was really top notch.

    The finish is pretty awesome compared to some other manufacturers.

    The Bahiya is a really unusual design with the hard chine and the not quite rounded hull shape.

    It is also deceptive in how much gear it will haul. Ultimately my nitpicky side didn’t like how I couldn’t get over the backdeck very well. But it does have more volume than saw a silhouette. I think if I had conceived of removing both the seat and the backband at that time I might have selected one. But who knows.

    I wouldn’t mind giving one another paddle in conditions again now.

    Keith

  • Seth Dent says:

    P&H’s workmanship is quite good. They really do a good job of outfitting boats too. The deckline and bungee systems are simple and effective.

  • Mike says:

    You may want to add the Tiderace boats to your list of contenders. I paddled some demo models at the East Coast Canoe and Kayak Festival last weekend and was really impressed.

  • derrick says:

    Where can I see a Cetus LV????

  • Marius says:

    Ask Kelly to set you up with Cetus LV, he is the superman, you know ;)

  • Alex says:

    I actually ran into Kelly yesterday at the Midwest Mountaineering kayak demo (he was repping and I was safety boating) and chatted with him about the Cetus LV as well. He didn’t have one with him but there are apparently a few of them floating around. Oh and I have to plug my Nordkapp LV if you haven’t tried it although it may not qualify since it also tends to need some attention.

  • brad mcpherson says:

    It looks like an Impex. Actually, it looks just like my new Impex Assateague but the smaller one, a Force 5 or Currituck. And that could only be a good thing.

  • Let’s get back to that Fiat 1750 Spyder… What a fun car! Maybe Chrysler/Fiat will bring back a retro version, with a removeable kayak rack naturally…

    Oh and BTW, I won’t show you my new Maelstrom Vaag, you’d turn green instantly…

  • derrick says:

    Oh man, don’t get me started on the spider… My dad had one.. you never wanted to have to take it to a shop or order parts.. other than that it was fantastic.

  • Brian Day says:

    Thought I would chime in on a semi-official basis here. So far, there is only one Cetus LV in the US. It is a second generation prototype and is currently in an undisclosed location. :)

    I read the review that you tweeted, Derrick, and that is about as much as I know about the boat now. Sounds like it is definitely a low volume fit. Graham really worked to downscale the paddling characteristics of the Cetus for a smaller paddler. As with the Cetus, there was input from the team on performance.

    When you are at Rutabaga scoping-out the Capella, you should jump in the regular Cetus and see what you think. And, maybe try a 167, too just for kicks. I haven’t had a chance to paddle the 167, but it looks really good. Just a touch more length and width than a 163, but a similar fit. I’m looking forward to getting that boat out on the water.

    Brian Day
    P&H Road Warrior
    from the mobile office in Southington, CT

  • Rebecca says:

    Fiat Spider!?!?! That made me sit up and take notice…. although this is a beautiful kayak, it is a bit to cheeky visually to be in the same group as a spider…Loved the non review by the way…

  • derrick says:

    Hi Rebecca, I’m not sure you can get a kayak over 12 feet that would compare in any real way to a Spider! I followed your link back to MyKayakingBuddies.com.. Great site!

  • Darren says:

    I probably will earn the wrath of your wife, Derrick, but we just took in a used (barely) Bahiya. Yellow/white. Don’t know how much.

    I think it’s a great second boat. I had it as a first boat for a while and it was just a little too cranky empty for me to feel comfortable taking pictures, etc. My Cetus…well…I feel like I can tap dance on the deck. :-)

    DB

  • derrick says:

    LOL! Nope to cranky for me too. I’m going to have a look at the Cetus as well.

  • Rebecca says:

    Derrick
    Thanks for the compliment – you are welcome any time :-)

  • Peggy says:

    Hi Derrick,

    Thanks for the description of the P & H Bahiya. Now I won’t have to test paddle it. I have heard great things about the new P & H Cetus too. You may want to try this one as well. A sleek 18 footer. I have a paddle friend who just bought one and says it is the ultimate boat. The look on his face as he described it was enough for me. It’s definitely on my list to try as well. Stable loaded or unloaded so you can take pics almost anytime.
    You can watch the video of it in the water at P&H
    http://www.phseakayaks.com/osb/itemdetails.cfm?ID=18

    Cheers!

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