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		<title>By: Christine Baumann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Baumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I taught with Doug last year at Audubon Middle School.  We shared so many great times.  I would like to contact his sister and brother and share some of this with them and was also wondering if the service happened already?  I just need some closure myself.

Sincerely,

C.Baumann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I taught with Doug last year at Audubon Middle School.  We shared so many great times.  I would like to contact his sister and brother and share some of this with them and was also wondering if the service happened already?  I just need some closure myself.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>C.Baumann</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Derrick. It all seems very odd. I&#039;m trying not to make any judgments.

There is a cell phone signal there. I know CDMA phones, like Verizon, work in that area, but I don&#039;t know if GSM phones, like those from AT&amp;T &amp; T-Mobile, would work. The closest Coast Guard would be Bayfield or Duluth, 40 and 50 miles away, respectively. Would a handheld signal reach them? I don&#039;t know. This time of year, the only traffic at night might have been a freighter and maybe someone monitoring VHF at the mine.

Hypothermia causes people to do strange things--unbuckling a lifevest may be one of them.

There&#039;s nothing off shore near Cove Point, so I can&#039;t understand why someone would have been a couple of miles offshore--even the NW wind wasn&#039;t strong enough to push an average paddler that far offshore. It&#039;s a 24 mile crossing to Sand Island in the Apostles. This time of the year a crossing like that on LS wouldn&#039;t be the smartest thing to do. The hills are tall enough in that area that they should be visible from a couple of miles offshore. I don&#039;t think you&#039;d be able to see the lights from Beaver or Silver Bay. With a new moon, it would have been dark.

That part of the lake is protected pretty well from NW winds; I&#039;d guess near shore there might have been a 1 foot swell. 45006 was reporting 4.27ft, but that bouy is so far away with so much NW fetch that it wouldn&#039;t have been relevant for the MN shoreline. Here&#039;s the nearshore forecast from the 19th: 

Forecast as of 3:57 am CDT on October 19, 2009
Grand Portage To Grand Marais Mn-
Grand Marais To Taconite Harbor Mn-
Taconite Harbor To Silver Bay Harbor Mn-
Silver Bay Harbor To Two Harbors Mn-
Today
NW wind 10 to 15 kt. Mostly cloudy in the morning... becoming partly sunny. Waves 3 to 5 ft subsiding to 2 to 4 ft.
Tonight
NE wind 10 to 15 kt. Partly cloudy in the evening... becoming mostly cloudy. Waves 1 to 3 ft.
Tuesday
NE wind 10 to 15 kt becoming E 15 to 20 kt in the afternoon. A slight chance of rain in the morning...then a chance of rain and snow in the afternoon. Waves 2 to 4 ft building to 3 to 5 ft in the afternoon. A Small Craft Advisory may be needed.
Tuesday Night
E wind 15 to 20 kt decreasing to 10 to 15 kt after midnight. Rain likely in the evening...then rain with snow likely after midnight. Waves 4 to 6 ft building to 5 to 7 ft after midnight.

At any rate, there are lots of questions unanswered. I wish his family and friends the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Derrick. It all seems very odd. I&#8217;m trying not to make any judgments.</p>
<p>There is a cell phone signal there. I know CDMA phones, like Verizon, work in that area, but I don&#8217;t know if GSM phones, like those from AT&amp;T &amp; T-Mobile, would work. The closest Coast Guard would be Bayfield or Duluth, 40 and 50 miles away, respectively. Would a handheld signal reach them? I don&#8217;t know. This time of year, the only traffic at night might have been a freighter and maybe someone monitoring VHF at the mine.</p>
<p>Hypothermia causes people to do strange things&#8211;unbuckling a lifevest may be one of them.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing off shore near Cove Point, so I can&#8217;t understand why someone would have been a couple of miles offshore&#8211;even the NW wind wasn&#8217;t strong enough to push an average paddler that far offshore. It&#8217;s a 24 mile crossing to Sand Island in the Apostles. This time of the year a crossing like that on LS wouldn&#8217;t be the smartest thing to do. The hills are tall enough in that area that they should be visible from a couple of miles offshore. I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d be able to see the lights from Beaver or Silver Bay. With a new moon, it would have been dark.</p>
<p>That part of the lake is protected pretty well from NW winds; I&#8217;d guess near shore there might have been a 1 foot swell. 45006 was reporting 4.27ft, but that bouy is so far away with so much NW fetch that it wouldn&#8217;t have been relevant for the MN shoreline. Here&#8217;s the nearshore forecast from the 19th: </p>
<p>Forecast as of 3:57 am CDT on October 19, 2009<br />
Grand Portage To Grand Marais Mn-<br />
Grand Marais To Taconite Harbor Mn-<br />
Taconite Harbor To Silver Bay Harbor Mn-<br />
Silver Bay Harbor To Two Harbors Mn-<br />
Today<br />
NW wind 10 to 15 kt. Mostly cloudy in the morning&#8230; becoming partly sunny. Waves 3 to 5 ft subsiding to 2 to 4 ft.<br />
Tonight<br />
NE wind 10 to 15 kt. Partly cloudy in the evening&#8230; becoming mostly cloudy. Waves 1 to 3 ft.<br />
Tuesday<br />
NE wind 10 to 15 kt becoming E 15 to 20 kt in the afternoon. A slight chance of rain in the morning&#8230;then a chance of rain and snow in the afternoon. Waves 2 to 4 ft building to 3 to 5 ft in the afternoon. A Small Craft Advisory may be needed.<br />
Tuesday Night<br />
E wind 15 to 20 kt decreasing to 10 to 15 kt after midnight. Rain likely in the evening&#8230;then rain with snow likely after midnight. Waves 4 to 6 ft building to 5 to 7 ft after midnight.</p>
<p>At any rate, there are lots of questions unanswered. I wish his family and friends the best.</p>
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		<title>By: silbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>silbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s lots more to all of this, I am sure; and the Milwaukee community has chosen to remain mum as to not fuel speculation. Let the investigations take their course. I believe the story will eventually get filled in. Meanwhile, we are great full to all the paddlers who have sent us supportive e mails. We are in contact with Doug&#039;s sister in California and, out of respect to her, have stopped commenting to the press. 

Originally, I hoped to get out the story about needing to approach sea kayaking in the proper manner. I hate seeing &quot;missing may be &quot; stories in the papers. Now, as speculation as to what happened builds, the press is looking for &quot;dirt&quot;. We don&#039;t plan to supply any. Doug, we miss you. Silbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s lots more to all of this, I am sure; and the Milwaukee community has chosen to remain mum as to not fuel speculation. Let the investigations take their course. I believe the story will eventually get filled in. Meanwhile, we are great full to all the paddlers who have sent us supportive e mails. We are in contact with Doug&#8217;s sister in California and, out of respect to her, have stopped commenting to the press. </p>
<p>Originally, I hoped to get out the story about needing to approach sea kayaking in the proper manner. I hate seeing &#8220;missing may be &#8221; stories in the papers. Now, as speculation as to what happened builds, the press is looking for &#8220;dirt&#8221;. We don&#8217;t plan to supply any. Doug, we miss you. Silbs</p>
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		<title>By: derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and impressions JB.  Just goes to re-enforce why the situation seems so odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and impressions JB.  Just goes to re-enforce why the situation seems so odd.</p>
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		<title>By: John Browning</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Browning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Doug Winter (not Winters)--he is very particular about his last name being &quot;Winter&quot;--paddled with him in various conditions, and have observed him roll, often in waters colder than I&#039;ll roll in just to make sure I can do it--but Doug did in freezing temps and waters.  I also have watched Doug become a rather competent kayaker.  Doug always carries a VHF radio in his life jacket pocket, you can see the antenna sticking out of the pocket in some of the posted photos.  Additionally, his boat is outfitted with a deck compass.  Based on my discussions with Doug over lots of coffee, on my part not his as he doesn&#039;t drink coffee, Doug is an excellent school teacher, his students are very fortunate to have him as their teacher, he cares about their success and has a special gift for teaching them math and science.  The fact that he has gone missing, apparently on Lake Superior while kayaking saddens me deeply.  It would be nice to know what really happened, but we may never know.  I&#039;ll save a seat for him the next time I&#039;m at Sven&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Doug Winter (not Winters)&#8211;he is very particular about his last name being &#8220;Winter&#8221;&#8211;paddled with him in various conditions, and have observed him roll, often in waters colder than I&#8217;ll roll in just to make sure I can do it&#8211;but Doug did in freezing temps and waters.  I also have watched Doug become a rather competent kayaker.  Doug always carries a VHF radio in his life jacket pocket, you can see the antenna sticking out of the pocket in some of the posted photos.  Additionally, his boat is outfitted with a deck compass.  Based on my discussions with Doug over lots of coffee, on my part not his as he doesn&#8217;t drink coffee, Doug is an excellent school teacher, his students are very fortunate to have him as their teacher, he cares about their success and has a special gift for teaching them math and science.  The fact that he has gone missing, apparently on Lake Superior while kayaking saddens me deeply.  It would be nice to know what really happened, but we may never know.  I&#8217;ll save a seat for him the next time I&#8217;m at Sven&#8217;s.</p>
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